Usum ou viability In this thread, we as a community will rank every Pokemon's usable set into which tier of the viability ranking they So following the viabilities rankings produced to reflect the gen 9 OU meta prior to the release of the DLC, and after taking inspiration from u/supersmall69 's '"Face of OU" posts, I decided to compile a spreadsheet of every Pokemon's OU Bastiodon is viable for its ability to solo Ultra Necrozma alone. Pain Split is also largely unnecessary on Qwilfish and will be a wasted moveslot in almost every game, and there's nothing he can afford to drop for it. 40 If the high use of Zygarde and Landorus are inherently tied to Approved by Finchinator |Format borrowed from OU Viability Rankings|Co-hosted by sedertz, Finchinator, Talah, Charmflash, Jordy, and Leo Image by sneaky. One thing that I like: This is probably the most balanced generation in a while, that I can remember (since the beginning of gen 5, really) Playstyles are balanced. Clefable's omnipresence really hurts Medicham's viability, as balance teams almost by default now have one of the most reliable answers to it in the game. Salamence obviously has its flaws: a now sub-optimal base 100 spe, low defenses, walled by certain and common steels, revenged by fast scarfers, less available set-up opportunities than I'll try and give my thoughts on the nominations that have been posted lately but for now I just wanted to make a few noms: → B+ Charizard X is a very slep-on pokemon that is actualy a very anti-meta threat that deserves a rise imo. Kommo-O has a few glaring, fundamental flaws that will prevent it from ever being good in OU this generation -- it is 4x weak to Fairy, it lacks any standout stats (110/100/85 offensive stats are blatantly underwhelming for OU and 125 defense is not as great as you would think when it only has 75 base HP and generally runs offensive sets), and it does not have OU SM OU Viability Rankings Clementine; Jul 18, 2020; 2 3. Ratata soloes Necrozma. Some of its once more popular sets such as Defensive, Offensive Create a ranking for Pokemon USUM OU Viability Ranking v20. You're encouraged to civilly post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in LGPE OU and what rank they should fall under. The craziest part is that it has stayed so good for so long, despite Dugtrio, despite AV Mag, AV Bulu, despite 50% Lando use, Koko evolves and adapts and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of innovating its sets. Prev. Venu without growth is harder to sweep IMO by OP's logic Lando shouldn't even be on here; I absolutely think Lando should be on here and basically anyone with any sort of BW2, USUM, or SwSh OU knowledge would agree, but Lando's viability is a lot more up in the air in ORAS OU while mons like Ferrothorn, Gliscor, and Heatran have all been great since their debut generations with no Thundurus | SV | Smogon Strategy Pokedex - Smogon University Loading D tier is for unviable pokes that cannot be fully utilized in OU-ZU. USUM OU Speed Tiers Important Speed numbers in Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. That changed when people stopped running Scarf and started running Rockium+SD. →A+ In the current metagame, I believe Tornadus-T to be one of the best Pokemon for its splashability, effectivity, and versatility (for as far as that goes). Ambipom in gens 5/6/7 is the opposite, terrible in the tier it’s in but won’t drop But with the current OU meta being defined by mostly Steel, Posion and Fire Pokemon along with the decling useage of many Dragon pokes in OU. I thought of this mainly due to the torrential abuse of teams supported by Pelliper's Drizzle. A well played Koko never fails to put in work and the ranks I made a post 2 weeks ago about putting lando in its own tier, and it was deleted, and then this update happens. Hawluchas has the ability to set up on a vast majority of mons in Welcome to the official LGPE OU Viability Rankings thread! This thread will be used by the community in order to rank all usable Pokémon in the LGPE OU Tier. Not only is Sticky Webs an incredibly niche playstyle as is, but a new Webs setter in Araquanid came out, and common teammates like Bisharp are also falling down the viability, so I find it only right to drop the rock-turtle-thingy. But I still stand by my opinion of Cofagriguses viability. I don't understand why you wouldn't discuss unranked mons as this is a viability ranking thread. USUM OU Viability Rankings. Ubers can kinda get away with it because their rankings are usually more stable while OU is constantly changing and shifting in viability due to all these major tours like OST SPL Snake WCOP happening at some point usually. I'm not sure what the extra damage output is supposed to accomplish because most of the time you will be pivoting Sylveon in, using Wish to heal something up, use Protect if you are I would also support Toxapex -> A+ and Charizard-Y -> B-. USUM OU Viability Rankings A look at how viable Pokemon are in USUM OU. Thread starter Finchinator; Start date Nov 20, 2017; Status Not open You should really be asking yourself why your USUM OU team doesn't have any counter-play to something as common as a Kartana outside of letting something die and then sending out something faster. Reply reply Since Salamence and Dragonite are in the same realm of viability and since they serve a similar purpose on teams, we are forced to conclude that Salamence is viable in OU. If you have Additionally, electricium Z and other z crystals can make Thundurus`s T`s attacks hit like a Tactical Nuclear Bomb, with few OU pokemon resisting both its Z-moves and powerful coverage HP Ice. Once these pokemon are eliminated, Thundurus T can proceed to Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. He also gives new players a great opportunity to pick up on mindgames as he's so omnipresent and so is ice beam/hp ice. I might have been a little harsh on Cofagrigus, which is a mistake I commonly make when it comes to mons I don't feel should be in OU. Dec 4, 2017 #115 I disagree with the marowak nom. On one hand, Mega Latios can still check a great deal of the tier and can potentially benefit from the decline in Psychic-types by biting Pex Also, whether or not a move or set is more "fun" is subjective and irrelevant. In this thread, we as a community will rank every Pokemon's usable set into which tier of the viability ranking they individually fall under. Accelgor was one the best leads in Bw Ubers. Marigold formerly Resource USUM Doubles OU Viability Rankings (Updated 11/16 on post #293) Thread starter the viability rankings does not rate Pokemon in a vacuum. While boosting sets are still a problem for Zard, the proper teammates (Weavile, Koko, Scarf users, etc. Workshop Archive. First and foremost, we would like to welcome suapah to the OU VR team! He will be discussing and voting on slates moving forward. The OverUsed (OU) format in Smogon Strategy Pokedex for Generation 7 provides detailed strategies and movesets for competitive Pokémon battles. So following the viabilities rankings produced to reflect the gen 9 OU meta prior to the release of the DLC, and after taking inspiration from u/supersmall69 's '"Face of OU" posts, I decided to compile a spreadsheet of every Pokemon's OU viability ranking in each generation as it stands today in it's most current iteration. He's just overall a really cool mon that you have to No real opinion on the other nominations though. However, I would like to see Hydreigon drop to C-. Toxapex is great no doubt, but PsySpam is one of the strongest teambuilds right now (speaking from the ladder), as well as Tapu Lele and Koko both being utterly fantastic. StadstheEidolon • Additional comment actions. Welcome to the official ULTRA SM OU Sets Viability Rankings. Search forums . Shitposting aside I genuinely don't get how you play usum ou and hate lando. Thread starter Finchinator It still absorbs tspikes effectively and got better with the new defoggers usum brought us meaning its harder to keep hazards up so venu has an even easier time switching in. I think this conversation of (mostly) arbitrary arguments has carried on for long enough; Mega Venusaur discussion is now blacklisted. He's a centerpiece of the meta and keeps a ton of mons in check. Do not hesitate to elaborate on your rankings Fully support Hawlucha to A- and this mon should probably be in A First of all, discussion of Hawlucha going to A- has been going on for almost two months and as of yet I haven't seen any good counterarguments against it. op stolen from the ou one banner goes here Welcome to the RU Sets Viability Rankings. OU Sample Teams. e fat Scarf Lando, Tran, Tangrowth, etc) and Araquanid+Suicide Lando is much better than Create a ranking for USUM OU Viability (2023) 1. Current archive. Reactions: Deku Prince, The Solar Anomaly, Ohmboy Tesla and 18 others. I think both the rankings were a bit reactionary after the Dugtrio ban. Therefore when it was designated UR, it was placed in D tier. You can run a plethora of sets in this thing but the best one is a bulky one. Of course if you toss around Pokemon around like it means nothing, then yeah it's not worth bringing up; but if they have They all still have niches, albeit small ones, and have enough viability to retain their extremely irrelevant rank imo. USUM OU Cores. 1 Go to page. Licholas. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. +2 it has sets but you can deal with them all in pretty much the same way. Resource USUM Doubles OU Viability Rankings (Updated 11/16 on post #293) Thread starter When you take a Pokemon, in this case Salamence, And look at viability in terms of general attributes like “bulk” and “intimidate” you get a good idea of why Salamence should be used instead of Pokemon like galvantula, wartortle, and aagron, but not why it Being OU by usage alone does not guarantee a ranking. I mentioned that Heatran was more likely to face a hostile meta than Garchomp and was ridiculed for it. . That doesn’t make Bastiodon bad, it means the rat has a nice niche. Seismitoad was NU by usage but B+ in Ou viability, a higher placement then classic ou mons like Gyarados, Hippowdon and the blobs. He makes the meta very healthy. I will concede that Stakataka faces competition from Magearna, but if you are already using AV Magearna, than Stakataka is a great alternative choice. I think the metagame is changing in a way that Zard X Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. I participated Magearna is an S Rank threat, unlike Protean Gren which is in A Rank. As I felt that I would not be able to do the nominations justice, I have decided to not participate (I am not an abstain vote). Second off, the next slate will be around the end of Snake, so expect it to be a bit shorter than your average one unless I feel more discussion time is needed (realistic chance this is the case, but for now try to get your points in promptly if you have any For a little while it was considered mediocre (B- on the VR) in USUM OU. What's new Featured content New posts New profile posts Latest activity. In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. It also has access to moves like Superpower (hits Ferrothorn and This is probably one of the most used things in OU at this point, behind Lando-T. This is definitely personal preference but I’d also much rather beat that demon A few months ago there was a discussion around classic OU mons that could potentially fall to UU a la Tyranitar. Charmflash's use of it in SPL helped put it back in the spotlight by proving its viability outside of stray/niche stall builds. Kartana rising to A+ all the way. Although it hates Landorous-T without a burn, it none-of-the-less is still good. 34 Kommo has got lots of new "toys" as USUM came in,but what makes it a op stolen from the ou one banner goes here Welcome to the RU Sets Viability Rankings. Drag the images into the order you would like. Celebi, with a bit of Defence investment, avoids a 2HKO from Mega Swampert's Ice Punch; it can outspeed at 2HKO Manaphy (they don't run much Made playoffs of the 2022 SM OU Championship; Made top 8 of either the last Seasonal, or last Championship (NOT the current one, ie SM OU Summer Seasonal #3 and/or SM OU Global Championships 2022) Of course, feel free to post your own VR on the forums, regardless of you meeting the criteria. Also, protein based coverage gren is far more common Sorry for the one-liner, but I can't help but think people are just nominating random low-tier PU shit for a rank just for the sake of having random low-tier PU shit being ranked in the OU Viability list. View the Community Ranking for this USUM OU Viability (2023) Tier List & recent user lists Join the OU Discord for live discussion! Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules. Reactions: MaahirMomtaz12. This is not a fun ranking thead, it is a viability ranking thread. Registered members Current visitors New profile posts Search profile posts. Scoli and azelf are still reasonable suicide leads, with scoli being able to pull Ditto hasn't been mentioned once in this thread since October's VR slate, and yet since then there are numerous OU viable builds running around with Ditto performing well on each of them. 3. Agree with Koko to S-, but Stakataka should not drop a subrank, let alone two. Thread starter Finchinator; Start date Nov 20, 2017; Status Not open for further replies. Posts in this thread will be taken into USUM OU Resource Index List of USUM OU Resources including Viability Rankings, Sample Teams, Role Compendium and more. all the set determines is whether is does anything to offense, balance, or stall. It has a powerful 131 Attack stat and 13 Speed to be able to boost the power of its STAB Gyro Balls. Thread starter Finchinator Jirachi has a really solid move pool indeed, and it is a really good tank in OU. Some of the most viable Pokémon in SM/USUM OU are able to put in work against it. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that Welcome to the official SM OU Viability Rankings thread. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. MajorBowman: Abstain, I think i’ve seen like 2 persians in all of usum dou marilli: In addition, as inspired by the shift seen above, we are now implementing a new policy for the Doubles OU Viability Rankings: the VR council will be voting on the rankings of Pokemon in Tier 4 and 5 every 5th of each month. Note that I'm fine with you mentioning one that's classified under a lower tier as long as you believe that it's very viable in the OU meta. Play online! Live chat! Log in Register. Dec 12, 2024. He needs Swords Dance, he needs a water STAB Hey guys. Check out our other Pokémon tier list templates and the most recent user submitted Pokémon tier lists. Edit the label text in each row. Discussing it as a new USUM mon only makes sense as it's fresh. Can I have an explaination? All of the questions are answered in this post. It is honestly one of the best Choice Specs user of all time, placing second only Webs has been losing both viability and popularity extremely fast over the last month or so, having an incredibly hard time with the rise in usage of screens HO and countermeasures to common Webs mons like Mimikyu and Bisharp being extremely common (i. Nov 10, 2024. Dex. Welcome to the official OU Viability Rankings topic. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. 1. You should know the drill by now; In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into "tiers. The big guns like hyper offense, bulky offense, balance, Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread. But still, its viability doesn't seem to just match what it was a while ago. however, due to the koko+hawlucha core getting more used, ash gren still being used a lot, heatran still walling it and being one of the best mons in general, and scarf greninja catching use again, volcs life Welcome to the official SS OU Sets Viability Rankings. In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various set rankings for each Pokemon Viability Rankings Welcome to the first edition of the Generation 9 National Dex Viability Rankings! In this thread, we as a community, overlooked by a unique council, will attempt to rank every viable Pokemon in various ranks. Now I'm gonna make a controversial post that I feel strongly about Hawlucha A - A+ Hawlucha is in my opinion the best sweeper in the tier, and I think its rank should reflect its status. Replies 52 Views 177K. Volcarona in A+ Oh god dude we’re about to see some Scarf Stone Edge Keldeo bullshit again, aren’t we? Reply mashonem • 2638-0593-2346 • Additional Shuckle has been in a precarious situation ever since the start of USUM, and now is the time it should go down the rankings. Resource USUM PU Viability Rankings. ) can patch that hole. DreadfuryDK • OU C&C Mod, r/stunfisk's resident USUM Ubers stan • Additional comment actions. Tapu Koko's only checks are bulky AV-Grass types and fast ground-types. comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment. Volcarona A+ --> A Volcarona is a pokemon that's still very good in the current meta. It's like the low ranks are really cluttered like they were during most of last gen, there are 5 mons there that, aside from maybe porygon-z, could be useful in very specific teams. Happy teambuilding n_n Approved Builders: u/DonaldTrumpvgc (VGC19), u/broke_stupid_lonely (VGC19), u/davidluizshair (VGC19) u/Wildcat_Formation (USUM OU), Even as someono who only plays OU I think it's not surprising, it's a B-Tier Mon there, Nat Dex seems to favor it. Sticky; Announcement More new analyses (new slate) zinnias; Nov 10, 2024; Replies 1 Views 1K. USUM OU Sample Teams An archive for teams that are representative of the current metagame. It ranked higher then the likes of Mewtwo and Zekrom on the viability thread but was an alright Mon in RU otherwise. We touched on usage not being the sole reason behind viability of anything before, but this is very true here as a lot of things accumulate ladder usage despite not being the best option. GnuGnu. Dec 4, 2024. I mean, yeah, I guess it's kinda funny, but if you're going to apply reasoning like "your gxe sucks so your opinion doesn't matter" to refute Kommo-o offers a nice Ash-Greninja and Heatran check for offensive teams, while also not letting go of the offensive pressure, with both of its offensive sets: Z-Clang and Belly Drum, one abuses the most broken Z-Move in USUM OU, which gives Kommo-o great sweeping/breaking potential, and the other makes Kommo-o reach stupid high attacking stats As someone who recently completed a Hardcore Nuzlocke of USUM, I can say with confidence that Klefki was surprisingly good, considering I've never used it before. While I understand the viability rankings are a fluid list that is meant to update and change as the meta does, the proposed rises/drops have been for marginal increases/decreases in viability in comparison to the mon's peers, and I don't think the distinctions are very important. Thread starter Finchinator; Start date Nov 20, 2017; Status I can't say exactly how many OU games I've played since the release of usum (it has been quite a few), but I can say that I've seen exactly ZERO Porygon-Z. Same deal with arceus-bug. We wanted to accurately portray Magearna's multitude of sets, whereas we didn't really feel like that was necessary for something like Protean Greninja. Zard still does what it does, set up in the face of steels who can't do Agree with Koko to S-, but Stakataka should not drop a subrank, let alone two. I also agree with you that Stakataka should not be used on TR As someone who recently completed a Hardcore Nuzlocke of USUM, I can say with confidence that Klefki was surprisingly good, considering I've never used it before. Offensive Protean Gren (ignoring scarf and sash) generally runs 4 attacks VR is also meant to reflect current viability, and trying to predict what the meta will be isn't really the job of the Viability Rankings, nor should be a proper basis on how we go about ranking mons. The general idea of the topic is to . The OU VR rankings would have to be shifted around potentially several times a week, on top of keeping the entire OU VR USUM OU Resource Index List of USUM OU Resources including Viability Rankings, Sample Teams, Role Compendium and more. Thread starter Finchinator Start date There was a point where this thing was the best Mega in OU and then Zam came in like a wrecking ball and almost completely eclipsed it. In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various set rankings for each Pokemon. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in OU and what tier they should fall under. " In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in ORAS OU and what tier they should fall under. Pre-emptive rises and drops have always been iffy in the first place. Mimikyu to C+ Mimikyu is fucking weak as shit and Celebi has the stats and movepool to back up being a decent (though flawed) Pokemon in the USUM OU metagame. We have 9 pokemon representing the best of the best in USUM. schvetania • Love how Floatzel is equally viable as Mega Mawile, Gliscor, and Kyurem. YubelVT. Mine was knock off > T spikes so that part was theory crafted however. I have made the decision to step down while the round was underway. Crobat was also a major MVP for the entire run since I got it in Island 1's Hau'oli Cemetery. Forums. Last edited: Dec 4, 2017. Users. Do not mistake the correlation between usage and viability as stronger than it actually is. Pixilate does not make Sylveon a good Wish passer. Make sure to check their stuff out! :) Welcome to the SM UU Viability Ranking Thread! Here, our goal is Home. As we can see from it's performances in SPL, it's just so consistently good, it's so hard to find a mon that counters Koko, Gren and Heatran in one slot, and even harder to find one that doesn't give Koko momentum. Same thing Ubers does with their VR But after playing around with it on ladder I realised that it wasn't very impressive. His thought process behind Welcome to the official ORAS OU Viability Rankings thread. Crobat was also a major MVP for the entire run since I got it in Island M-Charizard X: B+ to B: Disagree Nothing much has changed for zard aside from fini having a slight surge in usage, and even then I find it bollocks to drop it for that reason. Choice Specs + Thunder Terrain + Thunderbolt is something to be feared of from Tapu Koko, despite it's mediocre special stat. 2. Reply reply More replies. At the moment Zyg's absurd variety when it comes to sets, undeniable splashability (similar to Heatran in this With a significant amount of theory since the last discussions of viability, and the LGPE Global Championship coming to a close, there is quite a bit of evidence to support Pokémon both moving up and down the VR. Tornadus-T's really solidified itself as a dominant force in the current metagame, between its Rocky Helmet and Flyinium Z sets, and even Toxapex loses to +1 Z Ground and +1 Z Electric from Kommo-o, sets that are getting popular also If we are using niche sets as arguments, then altaria isn't a gren check at all, since, protein gunk shot completely annihilates it on a switch. It will explain why Landorus-T is in its own tier and why Toxapex "dropped" as well. It is also a great wish giver despite it hating Pursuit. Create a Pokemon USUM OU Viability Ranking v20 tier list. It also has some very good status/support moves, particularly Calm Stakataka is the most unique Pokemon that we have received for USUM in the OU tier. It's easily one of the best sweeper/breakers in the tier and one of the SS OU Viability Ranking Update (8/20) smogon. I guess its kinda crummy as an offensive type now. Past archive. Sceptile can shed tail which it can't do in OU. This thread and the Being OU by usage alone does not guarantee a ranking. What's I'm not extremely experienced with the meta game, so I'm wondering what the positives and negatives are of different ones, and what sort of teams could generally work around them. Go. I can't add much more than has already been said, but Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread Thread mons in the tier and I'm asking this thing to be ranked several subranks below it to acknowledge the difference in viability between the two. What does this mon accomplish that the other dragons, Zygarde, Garchomp Dragonite, and hell even salamece, don't already do? I am aware Hydreigon is a special attacker but other Dragont types are I agree with a Gastro rise. landos sets let him fill all sorts of roles but blace is always gonna be a sweeper/wallbreaker. Thread starter Finchinator; Start date Nov 20, 2017; Status Not open It has a small but passionate following in OU, as stated in the above post, it has access to strong physical STAB moves in Welcome to the official ORAS OU Viability Rankings thread. I thought this would be fun to categorise to get a While this Pokémon is still outstanding in the current metagame, mostly via its bulky Choice Scarf set, I think other Pokémon have caught up to its viability right now, all of which I'll cover later. Has teams from vgc2015, vgc2016, gen6ou, gen6uu and a few teams from other past formats. I think it's time to bring up regular venusaur, obviously ive ran game in sun and I used a slightly mixed set with EQ. It can hit harder than Clefable can but that's literally it. USUM OU Speed Tiers Important Speed numbers in OU Viability Rankings. Sticky; Tournaments SM OU Ladder Tournament I - Discussion Thread Steorra; Oct 6, 2024; Replies 9 Views 2K. Articles. Thread Besides the obvious 135 Special Attack which beats even Latios and Kyurem-Black in OU, Drampa has coverage up the wazoo: Surf, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Fire Blast, Hurricane, Energy Ball, you name it, the wiseman of PU has probably got it. I also agree with you that Stakataka should not be used on TR Lycanroc-Dusk is a new addition to the meta, not just to OU. It also has a high 211 Defensive but a mediocre 61 HP and defensive typing holding it back. " You're encouraged to post Welcome to the official ULTRA SM OU Sets Viability Rankings. Many mons on the VR owe a chunk of their own viability to the support and terrain Koko brings. Thread starter Finchinator; Start date Nov 20, 2017; Status Not open Clefable has established itself again as the queen of balance. If you have Welcome to the official OU Viability Rankings topic. Here's my first post of several, detailing the 4 Pokémon that have without much doubt showcased a higher ranking than what the current First: since USUM, a few of Pokemon have enjoyed increased viability, and most of them have trouble with ZardX: - Blacephalon: Spamming fire is now a turn lost to setup. For example, Toxapex stops it and can at least put down Toxic Spikes to punish it for using Spikes. Click 'Save/Download' and add a title and description. Also yea. It can't be used in OU-ZU, so when it was designated unranked, it was placed in D tier. Ranking this thing in the same subrank as garbage like Volcanion is a damn crime and it needs to be brought up. 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